Cheers

Coming late to the dance, as usual, but I thought I’d chime in.

One thing that has irked me recently is hypocrisy of your side without recognising your own. Everybody and their pet hamster has read Rules for Radicals at this point. I think everybody is just surprised to see Super-Establishment Lacky-Fox News, who would tow the line for ANY Bush abuse come out talking about how patriotic dissent is.

It’s as if nobody on either side realises that the last 8 years have been recorded. It’s not hard to find video of conservatives talking about the dangerous dissenters. It’s a little tougher to find MSNBC video doing the same thing from the Left, simply b/c their migration to cater to lefties has really taken place mostly during the primary race 1-2 years ago.

I think we’re all just surprised to find these middle-aged southerners, heretofore thought illiterate picking up a copy of “Rules for Radicals”. And even if they’ve been literate all this time, it hardly seems like a book on the community board reading list.

I’d take issue with the swipe at moral relativism. But what’s the alternative? Would Mormons be any happier with Moral Absolutism? B/c we know it wouldn’t be your people calling the shots. So you’d demand moral relativism, so that your levels of tolerance/intolerance could be tolerated by the world at large.

You don’t seem to unpack many of your ideas. It looks to me like you throw very loaded terms around, feel like you are personally satisfied with your definitions in your own head, and then argue from them. This just makes the careful reader confused and irritated by your postings. I’ll have to explain my presence here somewhere else, I’m sure.

Anywho, just offering my rambling rebuttal, since Paul couldn’t even write his own material. (Feel free to google any portion of my entry

Chuckles

1) I don’t think Medicare was ever designed to make money, so criticizing it on those grounds seems to miss the point. The point IS to provide a health care option to those who couldn’t get it otherwise, and it meets this end to varying success. I appreciate Blogdor’s candor, but such loyalty to ideals is easy to express but less easy to carry out. If you really feel the program shouldn’t be available, then why do you take advantage of it? Perhaps because you care about health care for your family? Good reason. Maybe its not such a bad idea after all – if it really is impossible for a dental school student (substitute any position here) to get health care from another source?

2) On a related note, let’s screw all “entitlements” and forget about health care reform – at least in theory. Where do we go from here? I would be interested in hearing from people on this forum less about critiques of Obama et al.’s plan, and perhaps some alternatives – or do we feel that health care int he US is fine as is (minus medicare and medicade, apparently)?

I believe the fist 6 companies that you mentioned were run down the drains by a bunch of crooks. The other 2 AIG and Lehman Brothers have been support by billions of tax payers dollars. AIG for instance held the majority of the Mortgage loans that were forced to be issued by beginning in the Clinton administration to people that could not afford the homes that the banks were forced to make loans to.

Then When the TARP funds were released AIG funneled billions to over sees banks. This all the while while the liberal Banking Committee Barney Frank denied any responsibility for the debacle.

Now back to Health Care. The all ready runs socialized medicine. Ala Veterans admin and Medicaid / Medicare. These programs have been grossly mismanged by the federal government from ALL PARTIES! However your friendly Democrats who started SS, Medicare, Medicaid and have expanded the services consistenly since inception since the FDR days have realistically raped the coffers that the aging population has been paying into to provide health care in their retirement days. The Issue is Medicare Reform the Health Care Issue is about preventing a Government Health Industry takeover! The Government has already proven itself incapable of provided cost effective services, yet want to add 34 million Americans ASAP plus 13 million illegals plus in addition to this increased burden the number of citizens that have paid into the system for the last 30-40 years and are expecting to recieve the services they were promised are now being told that the money they paid are now going to be split among these additional 47 million Americans and Non-Americans alike. The number of citizens that have paid into the system will double over the next 10 years.

Lets Recap
The system is already a Financial train wreck eating up $608 billion of the Federal Budget for 2008 (CBO)

The amount of participants will more then double in the next 10 years yet Obama is saying that the increase in costs will only be $236 Billion (less then half of the 2008 budget)?

You wonder why people are screaming? look again at the crowds

Look Closely … What do you see? You see seniors scared that they will be capped from the system. Their is genuine fear for them and their loved ones.

One more thing I dare you to pick up an Economics book As soon as the Government adds a government option to the marketplace small business will drop their employer coverage and dump millions more into an already burden system.

But Wait there is more The Community Organizer in chief just sent out an email this week to organize 13 Million community volunteers to sell the take over to the country. Why? Because his prime time commercials have back fired as he continues to lie to the American Public.

To Answer your question, the American public is tired of being lied to, the far lefts agenda has been organized and demonstrating since the Vietnam War, using the Rules for Radical protocal from Saul Alinsky’s book. So Help me to understand when a government lies to its people and creates secrecy (34 Czars with no accountability) the citizens lose faith and trust

This holds true in corporations and personal relationships. Just ask your self where did the $8.3 billion dollars just earmarked for ACORN go to?

Monty
Health Care Takover

I guess, if you are correct, they learned it from Obama and ACORN as that’s why they did/do.

And yet, in poll after poll, 80% of Americans are happy with their healthcare and doctor. If we have a one payer system how will you switch policies?

How does shouting down to stop the conversation of the healthcare debate at town hall meetings, endears them to anyone. Especially when the organizations that are telling them where to go and what to do and say are Republicans political operatives, not real grassroots. How does shouting someone down or chasing them out like a lynch mob advanced the debate, it does not. So I think the American people will see through all of this and know, like the teabagger, the birthers, these lynch mobs types are just the same, people who have to resort to these tactics because they have no leadership to articulate what they real want. It’s easy to pickup a bus load of people who hate, and that’s all I been seeing, they hate and can’t debate. Too bad.