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		<title>By: David Dzidzikashvili</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Dzidzikashvili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Should Government Force Small Businesses to Hire People?&quot;


“Force” is a bit strong &amp; unrealistic word in here. In theory the government can not force anything upon anyone (unwilling to…). The best is to create incentives. In today’s economy we have an unstable look on future, some “experts” and “economic gurus” (they do love calling themselves gurus) promise us that the recession has ended and we’re in much better situation, but once you start looking at the facts, data the whole economic picture becomes much more darker. Small businesses fear of excess taxes – a popular idea going around the left leaning circles, small business are not as optimistic about the economic outlook as Obama team economic “gurus” or “independent” Wall Street analyst. Whole situation is just messed up.

Right now the only issue the government should be concerned is growing deficit and they gotta start quickly thinking about the new ways/policies to curb deficit, NO NEW TAXES, NO NEW INCREASES and maybe create some incentives for the small business…</description>
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<p>“Force” is a bit strong &amp; unrealistic word in here. In theory the government can not force anything upon anyone (unwilling to…). The best is to create incentives. In today’s economy we have an unstable look on future, some “experts” and “economic gurus” (they do love calling themselves gurus) promise us that the recession has ended and we’re in much better situation, but once you start looking at the facts, data the whole economic picture becomes much more darker. Small businesses fear of excess taxes – a popular idea going around the left leaning circles, small business are not as optimistic about the economic outlook as Obama team economic “gurus” or “independent” Wall Street analyst. Whole situation is just messed up.</p>
<p>Right now the only issue the government should be concerned is growing deficit and they gotta start quickly thinking about the new ways/policies to curb deficit, NO NEW TAXES, NO NEW INCREASES and maybe create some incentives for the small business…</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the $20,000 number was an arbitrary number.  Like most liberal solutions, the point isn&#039;t to make sense, you just pick a number and get to the business of regulating and telling people what to do as quickly as possible.  Damn the details!  Facts and statistics can be easily manipulated to tell you what you want them to tell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the $20,000 number was an arbitrary number.  Like most liberal solutions, the point isn&#8217;t to make sense, you just pick a number and get to the business of regulating and telling people what to do as quickly as possible.  Damn the details!  Facts and statistics can be easily manipulated to tell you what you want them to tell you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, who came up with the $20,000 figure.  What is that based upon?  I never understood the statist obsession with central planning.  Good for running gulags and concentration camps but not much else.

Whenever you engage someone like TP or an ObamaCare supporter regarding the compulsory aspects of legislation, they drone on and on about how it will reduce unemployment or the number of the uninsured.  

They never.... NEVER... address the central question of how is it constitutional for the federal government to force you to purchase a service or hire an employee as TP has ably confirmed in his comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, who came up with the $20,000 figure.  What is that based upon?  I never understood the statist obsession with central planning.  Good for running gulags and concentration camps but not much else.</p>
<p>Whenever you engage someone like TP or an ObamaCare supporter regarding the compulsory aspects of legislation, they drone on and on about how it will reduce unemployment or the number of the uninsured.  </p>
<p>They never&#8230;. NEVER&#8230; address the central question of how is it constitutional for the federal government to force you to purchase a service or hire an employee as TP has ably confirmed in his comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the government is actually forcing small business to hire people.  As far as I know, the government will give tax credit for businesses who&#039;ll help them in their goal.  The goal is to provide enough job to decrease the unemployment rate.
.-= Gab´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.purchasehouse.com.au/purchase-a-house-in-australia-the-truth-about-house-flipping/&quot;&gt;Purchase a House in Australia: The Truth about House Flipping&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the government is actually forcing small business to hire people.  As far as I know, the government will give tax credit for businesses who&#8217;ll help them in their goal.  The goal is to provide enough job to decrease the unemployment rate.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Gab´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.purchasehouse.com.au/purchase-a-house-in-australia-the-truth-about-house-flipping/">Purchase a House in Australia: The Truth about House Flipping</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://independentbloghorn.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically as a discipline where the overwhelming majority of the faculty is liberal, which in most American Universities includes most of the liberal arts, social sciences, and any other discipline that bases itself off of high theory and continental philosophy.  My experience is with English departments.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically as a discipline where the overwhelming majority of the faculty is liberal, which in most American Universities includes most of the liberal arts, social sciences, and any other discipline that bases itself off of high theory and continental philosophy.  My experience is with English departments.<br />
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		<title>By: Harrison</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you define &quot;liberal education&quot; anyway?  Literature?  Arts?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you define &#8220;liberal education&#8221; anyway?  Literature?  Arts?<br />
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think M Cassel was directing his comment to Trenton Powers not at the Liberty Pen.

I also reiterate what I said in my interview with Liberty Pen, in light of Mr. Powers&#039; love for the arbitrary:

the Liberty Pen: Regarding your exploration of liberalism, could you tell us what you have learned?

The Independent Bloghorn: Above all, I have learned that liberalism, in its most secular and progressive incarnations, is a basket case of competing theories and paradigms.  Ultimately, the only narrative that unites the various &quot;brands&quot; of liberalism is the narrative of relativism.  While this creates an environment where academics can come up with some interesting, but ultimately, useless academic studies for the next interesting, but ultimately, useless academic conference, you eventually end up in a place where there are no standards for determining which parts of this project are rubbish, which parts are garbage, and which parts are just trash.  When you combine this complete lack of purpose or direction with a rather militant secularist bias, any attempt to create meaning in the world becomes an act of arbitrary capriciousness.  This is why when you examine any piece of legislation or policy that is heavily informed by liberalism, you will find arbitrary capriciousness as the foundation.  For example, which cultural signifiers should entitle someone to the benefits of Affirmative Action?  Answer: we will pick an ever-expanding list of ethnicities, which when studied in any depth within the cultural paradigms of our invention are completely meaningless.  Where is the poverty line?  Answer:  we will pick a number.  How many degrees does the earth&#039;s climate have to change for us to be worked into a mindless frenzy?  Answer: we will pick a number.  I got to the point where it seems like anyone with half a brain would see through this.  However, if you can replace common sense with the ignorant elitism that comes from an advanced degree, then I guess you can get away with creating whatever truth it is you want to believe in.

the Liberty Pen:  What aspects, if any, are missing from a liberal education?

The Independent Bloghorn: One word: Reality.  I mean this in the most profound philosophical sense.  The concept of reality has been so thoroughly deconstructed, that it has no bearing whatsoever on what is being learned from your typical liberal education.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think M Cassel was directing his comment to Trenton Powers not at the Liberty Pen.</p>
<p>I also reiterate what I said in my interview with Liberty Pen, in light of Mr. Powers&#8217; love for the arbitrary:</p>
<p>the Liberty Pen: Regarding your exploration of liberalism, could you tell us what you have learned?</p>
<p>The Independent Bloghorn: Above all, I have learned that liberalism, in its most secular and progressive incarnations, is a basket case of competing theories and paradigms.  Ultimately, the only narrative that unites the various &#8220;brands&#8221; of liberalism is the narrative of relativism.  While this creates an environment where academics can come up with some interesting, but ultimately, useless academic studies for the next interesting, but ultimately, useless academic conference, you eventually end up in a place where there are no standards for determining which parts of this project are rubbish, which parts are garbage, and which parts are just trash.  When you combine this complete lack of purpose or direction with a rather militant secularist bias, any attempt to create meaning in the world becomes an act of arbitrary capriciousness.  This is why when you examine any piece of legislation or policy that is heavily informed by liberalism, you will find arbitrary capriciousness as the foundation.  For example, which cultural signifiers should entitle someone to the benefits of Affirmative Action?  Answer: we will pick an ever-expanding list of ethnicities, which when studied in any depth within the cultural paradigms of our invention are completely meaningless.  Where is the poverty line?  Answer:  we will pick a number.  How many degrees does the earth&#8217;s climate have to change for us to be worked into a mindless frenzy?  Answer: we will pick a number.  I got to the point where it seems like anyone with half a brain would see through this.  However, if you can replace common sense with the ignorant elitism that comes from an advanced degree, then I guess you can get away with creating whatever truth it is you want to believe in.</p>
<p>the Liberty Pen:  What aspects, if any, are missing from a liberal education?</p>
<p>The Independent Bloghorn: One word: Reality.  I mean this in the most profound philosophical sense.  The concept of reality has been so thoroughly deconstructed, that it has no bearing whatsoever on what is being learned from your typical liberal education.<br />
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		<title>By: theLibertyPen</title>
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		<dc:creator>theLibertyPen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M Cassel, 

You have me slightly confused, are you under the impression that I advocate our government interceding within the private sector? I re-read my post and I don&#039;t see how you made that connection. Everything I wrote can be validated, Keynesian economic models (as well as their variants) do not work and tax credits end up producing more waste than benefit. 

The middle section under quotation is from 
Trenton Powers&#039; post. They were used to illustrate a point, sorry dude.  

With respect to your statement that the Constitution delineates governmental powers, it most certainly does, but that has not precluded the government from extending its reach.
.-= theLibertyPen&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thelibertypen.viviti.com/entries/general/a-new-liberty-pen-interview&quot;&gt;A New Liberty Pen Interview&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M Cassel, </p>
<p>You have me slightly confused, are you under the impression that I advocate our government interceding within the private sector? I re-read my post and I don&#8217;t see how you made that connection. Everything I wrote can be validated, Keynesian economic models (as well as their variants) do not work and tax credits end up producing more waste than benefit. </p>
<p>The middle section under quotation is from<br />
Trenton Powers&#8217; post. They were used to illustrate a point, sorry dude.  </p>
<p>With respect to your statement that the Constitution delineates governmental powers, it most certainly does, but that has not precluded the government from extending its reach.<br />
<span class="cluv"> theLibertyPen&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://thelibertypen.viviti.com/entries/general/a-new-liberty-pen-interview">A New Liberty Pen Interview</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://independentbloghorn.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: M Cassel</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Cassel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Point VH, as for Liberty Pen the constitution forbids the Fed Gov from stepping and doing anything other securing the borders and preventing the plundering of my property to give to those who have no property. Sorry dude but equal rights does not ensure equal results that responsibility rests solely on the individual not the government.

Anything else is Socialism and Karl Marx is been spoken way to much in this administration as POTUS&#039;s and the shadow party Democrats have literally shredded the constitution and not upheld their Oath. Yes they every one of them in Legislative, Executive and Judicial Branches of the Federal and State Governments, Swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution from all enemies domestic and foreign. Right now it is Washington and the Shadow Party Progressive Democrats that are the enemy that have trashed the Constitution see more on &lt;a&gt;Reckless Obamanomics&lt;/a&gt;

TP, The Progressive movement will never achieve a small unemployment number, it was the progressives that created the first wave of unemployment with the min wage increase they voted for several years ago, and like clockwork unemployment began ticking up, HS kids had fewer and fewer jobs and Unions rejoiced because their benefits are tied into these COLA adjustments. Unions Rejoice People lose their jobs and the SEIU jockstraps blame the &quot;Evil Corporations, just as they were taught to do by their mentor Saul Alinsky, This scenario has been repeated over and over since FDR forced employers to unionize their labor force to recieve Government contracts in the &#039;30s and we can see how effective that was. How many Steel Plants are operating in the US right now, Oh yes lets see 2 Companies and one is NUCOR Steel a non-union employee owned corporation. While the rest of Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and Pennsylvania are starving for jobs for the last 30 years 

I am not saying that the only issue facing the economy, however the main issue is the stupid management of our tax dollars by our elected civil servants. They have been trusted with the purse strings and everyone of them have failed miserably. 

Gentlemen this is not a Left right issue but a right wrong issue and at this juncture, Washington, on both sides of the isle have done a whole hell of alot of wrong, thus the term &quot;A whole Butt Load of Problems&quot; I believe a very accurate and well placed term, it is time to give the politicians &quot;a butt load of problems with your foot!

oh by the way if you disagree with me you probably are a racist.

Time to get back to spending less then you make &quot;its called Conservative Fiscal Policies&quot; that is directed towards the State and Fed, follow the Constitution, Just follow the Oath of Office. and all will be well, America is by design the greatest country on the face of the earth and needs to stay that way. You don&#039;t see people sneaking over the border of a communist country trying to break in for a better opportunity, didn&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Point VH, as for Liberty Pen the constitution forbids the Fed Gov from stepping and doing anything other securing the borders and preventing the plundering of my property to give to those who have no property. Sorry dude but equal rights does not ensure equal results that responsibility rests solely on the individual not the government.</p>
<p>Anything else is Socialism and Karl Marx is been spoken way to much in this administration as POTUS&#8217;s and the shadow party Democrats have literally shredded the constitution and not upheld their Oath. Yes they every one of them in Legislative, Executive and Judicial Branches of the Federal and State Governments, Swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution from all enemies domestic and foreign. Right now it is Washington and the Shadow Party Progressive Democrats that are the enemy that have trashed the Constitution see more on <a>Reckless Obamanomics</a></p>
<p>TP, The Progressive movement will never achieve a small unemployment number, it was the progressives that created the first wave of unemployment with the min wage increase they voted for several years ago, and like clockwork unemployment began ticking up, HS kids had fewer and fewer jobs and Unions rejoiced because their benefits are tied into these COLA adjustments. Unions Rejoice People lose their jobs and the SEIU jockstraps blame the &#8220;Evil Corporations, just as they were taught to do by their mentor Saul Alinsky, This scenario has been repeated over and over since FDR forced employers to unionize their labor force to recieve Government contracts in the &#8217;30s and we can see how effective that was. How many Steel Plants are operating in the US right now, Oh yes lets see 2 Companies and one is NUCOR Steel a non-union employee owned corporation. While the rest of Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and Pennsylvania are starving for jobs for the last 30 years </p>
<p>I am not saying that the only issue facing the economy, however the main issue is the stupid management of our tax dollars by our elected civil servants. They have been trusted with the purse strings and everyone of them have failed miserably. </p>
<p>Gentlemen this is not a Left right issue but a right wrong issue and at this juncture, Washington, on both sides of the isle have done a whole hell of alot of wrong, thus the term &#8220;A whole Butt Load of Problems&#8221; I believe a very accurate and well placed term, it is time to give the politicians &#8220;a butt load of problems with your foot!</p>
<p>oh by the way if you disagree with me you probably are a racist.</p>
<p>Time to get back to spending less then you make &#8220;its called Conservative Fiscal Policies&#8221; that is directed towards the State and Fed, follow the Constitution, Just follow the Oath of Office. and all will be well, America is by design the greatest country on the face of the earth and needs to stay that way. You don&#8217;t see people sneaking over the border of a communist country trying to break in for a better opportunity, didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: VH</title>
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		<dc:creator>VH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, in the case of the Soviet Union, it didn&#039;t lend itself to innovation and real economic growth, did it? They lied about their GDP numbers for decades but eventually they couldn&#039;t outrun economic reality.

If a small company or any sized company is required to hire someone at a given profit threshold instead of it having the freedom to allocate its resources (for example, paying off debt, buying supplies, replacing and repairing equipment, research and development, pay raises for good employees, moving to a better location, etc) as it sees fit to compete, then it will simply stagnate and it will eventually not be able to hire anyone. Business owners who have skin in the game have far better knowledge of their business and where to allocate resources than bureaucrats: That is one of the many principle economic lessons of communism and socialism.
.-= VH&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://vulcanhammer.blogspot.com/2010/02/ipcc-begins-to-acknowledge-mistakes-in.html&quot;&gt;IPCC begins to acknowledge mistakes in its reporting&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in the case of the Soviet Union, it didn&#8217;t lend itself to innovation and real economic growth, did it? They lied about their GDP numbers for decades but eventually they couldn&#8217;t outrun economic reality.</p>
<p>If a small company or any sized company is required to hire someone at a given profit threshold instead of it having the freedom to allocate its resources (for example, paying off debt, buying supplies, replacing and repairing equipment, research and development, pay raises for good employees, moving to a better location, etc) as it sees fit to compete, then it will simply stagnate and it will eventually not be able to hire anyone. Business owners who have skin in the game have far better knowledge of their business and where to allocate resources than bureaucrats: That is one of the many principle economic lessons of communism and socialism.<br />
<span class="cluv"> VH&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://vulcanhammer.blogspot.com/2010/02/ipcc-begins-to-acknowledge-mistakes-in.html">IPCC begins to acknowledge mistakes in its reporting</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://independentbloghorn.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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